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Hi Mike.
First of all, thank you for building VidBlaster. It's very rare to see a program evolve so quickly, especially with direct input from the users.
Onto my request:
I could use a scoreboard overlay for sports/gaming matches. The board itself can already be done with vidblaster, it's a simple png overlay. The teamnames only change once a match, so that also leaves enough time make a seperate png, or adjust the board png.
The problem comes to light with the scores itself.
0 - 0.
0 - 1.
1 - 1.
2 - 1.
They can change, depending on the game, in seconds. And while there is a built in on the fly titler, this doesn't allow us to work with graphical text.
So what I'm thinking of is a scoreboard module, that does not handle the scoreboard overlay but the scores overlay. It would need to be pointed to 000.png and given 2 x y positions where to overlay the home and away score. Then it would also have +1 and -1 buttons for each team. +1 on the home side would replace 000.png with 001.png. I think you can imagine how that would work. And finally, because mistakes are made and games get reset, a 'set home/away score to' text entry would be useful, to get to 15 - 0, from 0 - 0 without having to press a button 15 times.
I think the idea should be clear, and I hope you see any value in it. Some of the most popular live shows on this earth are sporting events and this could help those making them.
I've uploaded some testing png's for you to download here (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=731de577155b60435bf1f12f1ff3f30ae04e75f6 e8ebb871). They arent pretty but it will save you some time.
kind regards,
eagle
i208khonsu
06 Mar 2009, 09:54
What I would like to see is the overlay module enhanced to specify text position, text size, text font, as well as allow multiple text boxes. While this may be a bit more cumbersome to setup for a scoreboard than a specific scoreboard module, it would achieve the effect that a scoreboard would need as well as be versatile to achieve any number of other objectives involving multiple discrete text positions.
NoobZaibot
07 Mar 2009, 03:19
I would even consider using a Flash File like WebCamMax does !
Eagle, can you upload those png's using one of the suggestions in my upload instructions please? Also, if you need to compress use zip.
So far you're asking for a pretty dedicated module, as I have not come up with a more generally usable idea. I'd like to see some more requests for this, and possibly some UI ideas. I also like to get Tom's input, as I know he's keeping scores somehow. Maybe we can come up with something nice if we all work together on this.
PS: are you a licensed user?
Hi Mike. I've reupped them here (http://www.h2ktv.com/files/scoreboard_sample_files.zip) in a zip archive. (Also slightly altered)
I'm not a licensed user yet. Along with Lenny (http://vidblaster.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=221) I work at H2kTV (http://www.h2ktv.com/), a free videogame streaming organization ran by volunteers. With very limited funds you'll understand we have to be very sure of the things we do buy. A scoreboard system is essential so we have an alternative for it that doesn't use Vidblaster. What we are mainly waiting for in Vidblaster's is it's recognition of HD capture cards. Also, my colleague Jerry should have sent you an email by now.
josiahbryan
05 Jun 2009, 19:10
You could use another program that outputs an MJPEG stream and use the IP Camera functionality to load that MJPEG Stream as another camera, then use that camera as a PiP for your scoreboard... no transparency, but at least gives you a custom programatic video input...
Maybe most of the work could be done in an external application.
With some new features we could use the screen capture for this. We could use ot for on the fly titles, news, comments etc.
SUGGESTION
Say that we create a powerpoint presentation (or similar) with the different scores we need.
Keep Powerpoint in editing mode on your second monitor. This way you could easily jump between the different scores.
Mike adds the possibility to place a screen capture (with for example the size 320 * 12 pixels) vertically and making the background outside this transparent. Could be done with the camera module, overlay module or in a new module.
We would use it for titleing.
Sinc747
06 Sep 2009, 19:08
Sorry for the late reply on this subject.
Using a series of PNG overlays I was able to create a score board with 2 teams, their scores, the half (or quarter), and a logo. Check it out at www.PirateSoccer.tv. It's the archived soccer match, The Battle of the Bay. Fast forward to the 17th minute.
First overlay was a bottom third that contained the background and the logo.
2nd overlay contained just the team names. I would update this PNG file from game to game as the opponent changed.
3rd overlay was the score. Here I created a series of PNG files that had all score possibilies from 0-0 to 10-10. That was for soccer. Babseball would probablty be okay for that. It would be more time comsuming to create all possible scores for basketball, football and volleybal.
4th overlay was the half. I created 5 PNG files: "Pregame," "1st Half," "Halftime," "2nd Half," "Postgame."
It is important to load these overlays into VB in the right order as these build on top of each other.
Hope this helps. I'm very interested in hearing of other ideas and solutions.
Tom
kricher
08 Sep 2009, 09:02
I would like to vote for this as a licensed user of Vidblaster. We are webcasting college football and basketball so the possible scores are endless. At least the ability for two lines of on-the-fly text would be helpful although we are getting by OK the way it is.
Sinc747
12 Sep 2009, 03:38
Regarding scores for basketball, football, volleyball, any sport where the score possibilites are nearly endless...
Until a better solution comes along, here's a stop gap: Use a series of four overlays. A little cumbersome, but do-able.
You'll need four sets of PNG files of scores- single digits 0-9. Each set of PNG files would have a specific placement on the screen so that when you combine a digit from Set #1 with a digit from Set #2, you'll have a two digit score.
But, I'm looking forward to a real scoring module and would be willing to buy it as an accessory to VB.
HawkMultimedia
13 Sep 2009, 20:43
Couldn't this be solved simply by allowing multiple lines of text?
Team #1: 37
Team #2: 45
Then change the scores accordingly? (I'm thinking football and basketball, where creating png's for every score possibility isn't practical.)
Even if you used png's with background graphics and team names, by having the ability to enter text on multiple lines and/or having more control over spacing, you should be able to place the scores appropriately. For instance,
[Teams Graphic] space, space, space, space, space, 37 /n
[Teams Graphic] space, space, space, space, space, 45
See my post on the closed text overlay thread: http://vidblaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=296.msg2921#msg2921
To me, this would be the simplest way without getting into some extravagant titler.
@Patrick: this can now be done, as the overlay module supports multiple lines of text.
However, either not everyone knows this or finds it too cumbersome, considering this (http://vidblaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=952) topic. I realize that pressing an up/down counter is easier than using the text editor. Instead of what the original poster suggests, can most of you live with plain text for the digits (see overlay module for font settings)? This is easier to implement, and certainly easier to set up for first time users. Also, anyone willing to make me one or more general use templates?
I cannot believe the numbers this forum is getting, this topic has had more than 1000 reads!
See attached image, there is a beginning :). I am looking at this module as to an overlay module, i.e. same behaviour and ability to use more than one (just in case you need to switch boards very fast or if you want to use two to set the score first then switch to it, or even fade one score into another).
Mike..
Your program is being looked at by many neophyte Sports people to worldwide broadcast their
High School, College or Semi Pro sports teams...I am even doing wrestling, another user is doing Pool
Tournaments with over 80,000 viewers. In my estimation: If many of the sports modules IE: instant replay could be purchased seperatly and added to the Pro Version more and more would get on board?
Tom does a very professional job with Soccer with VB, my wrestling is watched city wide, OTBN pool
will be doing a world pool tournament from Vegas this spring that will garner thousands of worldwide viewers.
You have created a huge, but friendly monster in streaming video and made it available to the masses. and..
you talk with us about our problems and take our suggestions...that is unheard of in the Computer and Video industry. VB is in it's infancy.
Most Respectfully
William Bowser
Global Internet Video
Vidprod Global
World Video Access
Still waiting for someone to make me a nice universal template (Home - Guests?) to spice up my mockup, but how's this?
kricher
05 Feb 2010, 10:00
Good and simple. Will it have the ability to use team logos as well as fixed text with the team names?
Still waiting for someone to make me a nice universal template (Home - Guests?) to spice up my mockup, but how's this?
what screen size?
Sinc747
05 Feb 2010, 12:41
The beauty of what Mike is proposing is that we can develop our own PNG overlays that contain also of the grahics, names, logos, etc. that we want. We just need to leave "holes" in the right spots for the scores. Probably want two templates, one for 4:3, one for 16:9. But the score module should work for both.
Mike, do you envision that the placement of the numbers (scores) would be grouped together (ManU 2 1 Arsl) or separated (ManU 2 Arsl 1), or maybe a spacing option?
I was thinking x,y coordinates for each team's score? That way you can use any overlay you want. Another solution would be a unique marker in the overlay.
x,y would be perfect.
Looking forward to my next hockey game, replay, scoring....
Upgrading to Studio today!
JAKOB
kricher
05 Feb 2010, 17:50
That sounds like a good workable solution. Mike Versteeg and Vidblaster -> the gift that keeps on giving.
blueridgebruce
05 Feb 2010, 18:32
... and giving... ;D
so like a filename.ini with the x,y positions in it?
I made a simple one see if this works.
Sinc747
06 Feb 2010, 06:13
I might be adding fuel to the fire with this, but here goes.
Check out the attached scoreboard. Looks like they have an overlay and numerals placed at x, y times 2.
Bonus is the cropped PiP for the game clock. You can tell its the actual game clock because some of the clock bulbs are burned out.
Of course, once you open this can of worms... Then we'll want more x, y's for fouls and quarters/halfs and other scoreboard type features.
I jazzed mine up just a little i also included the photoshop file
Once again I will ask? Will this, if upgraded by VB, be available to Pro users? There are many of us who have professional video experience, who don't want to use Studio or Broadcaster, and are happy with Pro, possibly upgrading to Studio in the future as demands grow. The x,y scoreboard 3rd could work for many other applications. IE: political races, polls etc.
Once again I will ask? Will this, if upgraded by VB, be available to Pro users? There are many of us who have professional video experience, who don't want to use Studio or Broadcaster, and are happy with Pro, possibly upgrading to Studio in the future as demands grow. The x,y scoreboard 3rd could work for many other applications. IE: political races, polls etc.
Mike plans to make it available for all editions...
pashcre
17 May 2010, 22:46
Count me on the list of users anxiously awaiting a scoreboard module. After running four successful live baseball broadcasts this weekend, I made the following observations:
The ability to "group" overlays would be great. Our scoreboard was made up of several elements:
Background Layer (including team names)
Home score
Guest score
Inning
We had to add/remove each overlay individually, so it took four clicks to add/remove the scoreboard. If we could group those into a single "shot", we could remove them all at once. Having them grouped in this way would allow us to add the number of outs, a "men on base" graphic, and a ball-strike count.
Whether it's by entering coordinates, or (preferably) "click and drag" as with Wirecast, a flexible way to enter text into an overlay would be great.
The ability to control overlay transitions would be a nice touch as well. A fade isn't always appropriate.
All in all everything performed nicely, but I'd love to see either a scoreboard module, or changes to make the overlay modules more flexible.
Thanks!
Bio Acid
02 Jun 2010, 09:57
I would love a module that can be used as a overlay to enter scores in. I stream live Video Gameplay and the majority of the time they play round for rounds meaning I need to keep telling my viewers what the score is. Something like this would be extremely helpful to me and the people who are watching.
+1 for this idea.
Richard Mackenzie-Luxon
02 Jun 2010, 21:08
I have done a few games for paintball here at home. what I do for scoreboards is use the screen capture option with a scoreboard from http://www.pcscoreboards.com/scoreboards.shtml (http://www.pcscoreboards.com/scoreboards.shtml). It seems to work well, but again, it takes up monitor space. Would love to see a scoreboard intigrated into vidblaster.
You should ask them to support the new VidBlaster API.
There are 2 edit boxes and buttons in this module to keep scores. Is the Home score always on the left, and the Guest score always on the right? Or would you prefer I use the more generic Left and Right scores (of course in the overlay scores could be above each other, not next to each other, so this could be confusing)?
weconverse
22 Jun 2010, 14:40
Or ask them if they could deliver their scoreboards as an IP camera, no need for API then.
Sinc747
22 Jun 2010, 15:04
@Mike
Regarding scores, it probably doesn't matter what you call the scores. Left and right sounds easy to understand.
- Tom
Well, if your overlay puts them on top of each other I wonder if that is logical. So you are saying home - guests is not always true? It could be guests - home?
I had some overlays made and they all say Guest - Home, so if it makes no difference the beginner would be less confused if I'd name the controls in the same way. Unless Home - Guest is also used, which is what I am trying to find out here. I never watch sports so haven't a clue if there is some logic in the order of names. I was hoping some of you would know (and expecting Tom would know!).
I have always believed that home was on the left side...
But hey take a look on the WM, few teams will be home then...
So i think the left and right will be the simple way...
pashcre
22 Jun 2010, 20:42
If we will have the ability to alter the location of the teams (i.e. placing one team above the other in a horizontal scoreboard) perhaps it would make more sense to refer to them as "team 1" and "team 2"?
Sinc747
22 Jun 2010, 21:16
All of my scoreboard overlays use the team names, so Home and Guest (or Away) are not used and many of my broadcast are from a neutral location. Tune in to the World Cup this week and you'll see a three-letter abbreviation for each team.
In baseball, the team on top is the visiting team, bottom name is home team. This is important for the game as the top team (visitors) always bats first.
In soccer, American football, basketball and others, being home team is not important from a scoreboard perspective.
For those of us using overlays for the scoreboards (names, sponsors, etc.) it would be very helpful to be able to absolutely place the score information in a particular location on the screen. Home and Away scores would be placed separately. Other basic needed info would be Period (or quarter or half or inning).
- Tom
Thanks guys. I guess team 1 and team 2 would be the most neutral to use so I'll use that.
The Scoreboard module will be available from v1.19+ (Pro+ editions). I'm sure lots of features need to be added, but now we have something to try and talk about :) Some scoreboard graphics will be added to get you started.
It really looks nice Mike
Good work !
Great. I am really looking forward to the Hockey season now!
Sinc747
25 Jun 2010, 05:01
Very cool!
Nice work. Mike!
- Tom
Now, for enhancements to the scoreboard function... :)
pashcre
25 Jun 2010, 08:14
I've been testing the new scoreboard module, and I'm loving it so far. I'll be testing it in the real world this weekend, and will try to report back later. I'm noticing one issue that may warrant a separate feature request:
It appears the scoreboard module is always "on top" of any video overlays. My plan had been to have a video overlay graphic for the name of the home team, and another wiith the name of the visiting team. Unfortunately, these overlays are obscured by the contents of the scoreboard module. If we had the ability to set the order of each overlay/scoreboard module, we would have much greater flexibility.
pashcre
25 Jun 2010, 08:14
...that being said, this is an excellent addition to VidBlaster. Thanks!!!
Sinc747
25 Jun 2010, 12:52
Joseph,
In the past I've had good success with one graphic with both teams. I made a template with proper position and then made one copy for each game/two teams.
Just a thought.
- Tom
PS What are you broadcasting this weekend? Link?
Sinc747
25 Jun 2010, 12:53
Enhancement...
Clock. Count down timer. Count up timer. Start button. Stop button.
Oh yeah!
Now that you have a sample to work with, could you sketch something you have in mind and be a little more specific? Like should the clock be 24h or 12h, or did you mean a timer? Do you allow the module to get bigger the more features we add?
Now that you have a sample to work with, could you sketch something you have in mind and be a little more specific? Like should the clock be 24h or 12h, or did you mean a timer? Do you allow the module to get bigger the more features we add?
As I am not doing sports at the moment, but it would be nice to have a
Clock both 12h / 24h (possible to have hour:min:sec:xxx, with option to show, what digits you like)
Count down clock, (possible to have hour:min:sec:xxx, with option to show, what digits you like)
Why the options ? For me it's sometimes not importent to show sec, but somethimes it's vital. Ex. hour:min or hour:min:sec
pashcre
25 Jun 2010, 16:15
Usually a single graphic for both teams would work, but this is a 16-team tournament over the course of two days, with each game lasting 30 minutes. Sine I don't know the match-ups, and don't want to create graphics for every possibility, I'll likely create the graphics in photoshop "on the fly".
Currently scoreboards are overlayed after the video overlays. I can switch this around, or we could go further and allow you to choose the order. In the latter case, please don't discuss this here but create a feature request for it.
The Scoreboard module will be available from v1.19+ (Pro+ editions). I'm sure lots of features need to be added, but now we have something to try and talk about :) Some scoreboard graphics will be added to get you started.
I just downloaded the newest version with great interest in the scoreboard module. The help section mentioned starter graphics that are located in my Pictures folder. I can't seem to find them. I have looked in my Pictures folder and I'm not finding anything? What am I missing here? Are they located someplace else?
I later added that this is only true if you make a clean install. If you didn't, they'll be in your VidBlaster folder.
Sinc747
28 Sep 2010, 02:53
Mike,
The Scoreboard module is very cool, but...
It would be nice if multiple Scoreboard modules were allowed or additional digit fields were added to the existing module.
Most scoreboards include:
1. scores (home team and visiting team)
2. a period (half, quarter, inning, game, etc)
3. other sport-specific info
- American football - down & yardage, timeouts per team
- Baseball - Hits, Runs, Errors
- Basketball - Team Fouls, timeouts per team
Most all of this could be easily handled by allowing more than one Scoreboard module.
Possible?
- Tom
Sure, just load multiple Scoreboard modules :)
Hi Mike
what i miss with the scoreboard is the possibility to define Buttons, that equals a certain amount of points. The sports for what i would use it: Snooker
There i would need several buttons from +1 (already given) til +7 (for the black ball). As long as i have to enter each score manually i will not upgrade to the pro version.
Sinc747
28 Sep 2010, 13:26
Wow. I can't belive I missed this. This is just too cool!
Thanks, Mike!
- Tom
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